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Posted May 22, 2006 at 09:06:08 AM by Bean
In completely random and unrelated news:

I assume that my readership is probably 100% American. That being said, I have a question for you all. Here it comes, and really think about it before you answer:

Based on your current experiences and knowledge, do you think that America is the best place in the whole wide world to live?
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41 comments
Finch (May 22, 2006 at 09:50:02 AM):
I think your response to "No" is a bit too much like any right-leaning person's response to anything.
Example:
"Do you support the war?"
"No"
"You anti-american bastard"

I really like where I live, and overall I am happy I live as opposed to anywhere else. But your question is an absolute. I've been to Britain, and I really loved it. The climate, the food, just the little differences that seemed really neat. I can't say without a doubt that's not a better place to live, because I haven't lived there.
bean (May 22, 2006 at 10:13:45 AM):
Asking if you like your country is a whole lot different than asking if you support a war.

Why stay in a country you don't like ?

Perhaps the questions should have been: Do you like living in the US? Or even: Do you like the US?

At any rate - I just saw a lot of articles and ads recently badmouthing so much about the US and I just can't understand the current anti-us feelings that everyone seems to have. It's frustrating.


Finch (May 22, 2006 at 10:31:46 AM):
I think "Do you like the US" would warrant your response if the answer was no.

Which is not to say I don't think you can criticize your country and say we're doing really stupid things.
bigD (May 22, 2006 at 10:40:02 AM):
finch, did you get my present yet?
bean (May 22, 2006 at 10:42:13 AM):
I think it's okay to critisize your country - but when you find youself critisizing it more often than not, you are probably in the wrong country.
m3 (May 22, 2006 at 10:42:32 AM):
i think the US is the best overall country in which to live, but that doesn't mean i can't have complaints. what you percieve as anti-americanism might sometimes actually be anti-anti-americanism.
Finch (May 22, 2006 at 11:00:46 AM):
Negatory dBigley.

Beanley, the course of the nation is set by elected officials. If they're doing something you think is stupid, other than elections the only way the average person can make a difference is open criticism (or conversely praise). This isn't anti-american, unless you're suggesting that Americans should only have one opinion on the way to do things.
bean (May 22, 2006 at 11:18:26 AM):
Indeed, and like I said, I think it's okay to critisize your country - BUT when you find youself critisizing it more often than not, you are probably in the wrong country.
bean (May 22, 2006 at 11:18:40 AM):
you anti-american bastard!
Finch (May 22, 2006 at 11:25:21 AM):
I knew it!!!

What if you criticize this country more often than not, but you criticize other countries even more often? Must you move to the moon?
bigD (May 22, 2006 at 11:31:38 AM):
you need to quitcher bitchin'!
bean (May 22, 2006 at 11:57:47 AM):
quitchen bitcherJ'd
Viviane (May 22, 2006 at 12:27:54 PM):
The way your question is phrased makes me have to answer no. I have only ever lived in two countries and therefore, I cannot judge if the US is, without a doubt, the best place in the whole wide world to live.

I can, however, tell you that for me, the US is a better place to live than Germany.
bean (May 22, 2006 at 01:10:32 PM):
Okay, I have rephrashed the question to account for the fact that there is probably not a single person on the earth that has lived in every country.
Finch (May 22, 2006 at 02:06:03 PM):
Answer is still no due to reasons stated in first comment.
Jewfish (May 22, 2006 at 03:14:57 PM):
I have to agree with Finch, the fact that you say "the #1, without-a-doubt" pretty much forces the answer to be no, since this is a tough topic to be certain on.

I tried to think of a better way to phrase this, but I can't really come up with something that avoids this issue.

bean (May 22, 2006 at 03:16:05 PM):
Okay, I'll modify the quiestions again.
Finch (May 22, 2006 at 03:25:57 PM):
This whole debate reminds me of one of the "Polls" on my Daily Show 2006 calendar.

How would you rephrase this question?
a) What's another way to say this?
b) This could be restated in what way by you?
c) Question-wise, how would you rephrase this?
Finch (May 22, 2006 at 03:28:36 PM):
Bean, I've come up with a communistic liberal's way to say the question.

Despite your complaints, do you feel fortunate to live in this country?
foo (May 22, 2006 at 04:14:04 PM):
I didn't have a problem with the way the question was asked. it was pretty straight-forward. I said yes. no doubt, I can't think of anywhere else i would like to live. maybe Canada, but that is a distant second.

however, I have to say that I don't think anyone should be labeled crybabies, or "critical", just because they are not 100% in line with whatever is going-on politcially right now. It is our right as citizens for freedom of assembly and speech, which the FFs intended as a way to give power to the people. That is to say, liberals "bitching" about policies is just as legitimate as conservatives praising policies.

Unfortunatly, far-left librals,hippies and other smelly folk have half-baked idealistic ideas that are neither well-thought-out or any good, and make them all look like idiots and pussies. But, there are SOME good democratic politcians out there.

I bring this up b/c I badmouth GW as much as i can. he totally sucks. I don't do it b/c i am a libral hippy though, i do it b/c he is an idiot and a big fat manupulative liar. I also am pissed about his isolationism, being surrounded by yes-men and reporters who are censured. There is a reason that he has such a low poll numbers. He sucks.

foo (May 22, 2006 at 04:14:58 PM):
I totally almost got caught by my boss writing that diatribe. I hope everyone enjoys!
m3 (May 22, 2006 at 04:20:36 PM):
i answered "no" because my ideal lifestyle would be laying on the beach somewhere near the equator WITH cold beer and WITHOUT income tax

i don't know what country that's in, but it's not the U.S.
Finch (May 22, 2006 at 04:43:58 PM):
Just a small observation...whichever political party is not in power are the bitchers. So the diatribe about liberals "bitching" is easily enough applied to conservatives.
foo (May 22, 2006 at 04:51:44 PM):
good point.

Chew on that one bean, if that IS your real name.
m2 (May 23, 2006 at 09:50:20 AM):
m3... if all you did was lay on the beach, you wouldn't have any income and thusly no taxes. I suggest Florida.

I like the US just fine. I have no complaints. These are the same no complaints that I had when B.J. Bill was prez, and the same no complaints I will have in 2009.
bean (May 23, 2006 at 09:53:11 AM):
m3: Why don't you move to this beach paradise? Does it exist? Do I need to rephrase my question to only include non-mythical locations?

fooie: you don't have to be 100% in line with current goings-on, but is 50% too much to ask?

A lot of americans seem to have nothing good to say about america, and that baffels me.
Brad (May 23, 2006 at 10:07:07 AM):
It is because we are ignorant. Most people have not had the chance to experience what living conditions are like anywhere else. We assume that it is bad here when it is not. All the "problems" a lot of us have with this country would vanish if we were forced to live somewhere in which survival is one of the main problems.
Finch (May 23, 2006 at 10:27:23 AM):
I can understand you making the assertion that the U.S. is hands down without a doubt a better place to live then Iraq...Afghanistan...Somalia...

But how can you say that about the countries that have just as high of a quality of living? Britain...Spain...Germany...Japan?
bean (May 23, 2006 at 11:09:14 AM):
Finch: I can't - which is why I preface it with "Based on your current experiences and knowledge"

I have been to Germany and the Netherlands, and based off of what I saw and what I know about said countries, I still prefer the US.

This really is not a tough question. The fact that you are arguing for different ways to answer "no" continues to amaze me.
Finch (May 23, 2006 at 11:15:06 AM):
I guess I just don't understand that mindset. It's not like you as a person chose to live in this country. It reminds me of being in high school and all the gung-ho school pride people who would get in fights with people from other schools.

I think this is a great country and I'm happy to live here, but it's not like it's my only option.
bean (May 23, 2006 at 11:38:35 AM):
If it's not your only option, then why are you still here? Is it because you like it here?

In the words of Will Ferrell as Harry Caray: "It's not rocket science. Just say yes and we'll move on."

You think I am over-simplifying the question, and I think you are trying to make it mo betta complicated.

Also, I think you might be saying NO just because you don't want to commit an absolute YES answer. So, if I'll attempt another rephrase: Based on your current knowledge and experience, is there a country that you would choose over the US to live in? If so, where and why?
Finch (May 23, 2006 at 12:06:43 PM):
To answer your first question: It took me 3 years just to find a job in Colorado so I could move away from Indiana. Finding a job in another country is mo betta harder, what with immigration issues.

And to answer your 2nd: Personally, yes. But this is in no way an attack on the US. I honeymooned in Wales, and my wife lived there for a few years while her dad was working there. I would like to live there for a while, because I like new things.
bean (May 23, 2006 at 12:49:32 PM):
You anti-american bastard
m2 (May 23, 2006 at 12:50:24 PM):
In 2001 a quarter of the Welsh population were born outside Wales, mainly in England; about 3% (87,000) were born outside the UK

In 2003 11.7% (33.5 million) of the US population were born outside the US.

I would like to submit these statistics as evidence that more people worldwide prefer the US to Wales.

I am not dumping on Wales or Finch, I am simply bored at work, and the Wales answer intrigued me. I spent some time reading about Wales and the fact that nobody moved across the ocean to get to Wales, stood out. Although, I like how they feature cycling & hiking on the tourism webpage. Sign me up for a visit.

Finch (May 23, 2006 at 12:55:59 PM):
I have no facts to back this up, but it seems that the main employer in Wales is agriculture, which may help explain those numbers. The US has tons of industry to attract foreigners.
m2 (May 23, 2006 at 01:10:37 PM):
Correct, it seems to me that the major employer is livestock...not many people crossing the big pond for that.
foo (May 23, 2006 at 03:12:23 PM):
bean:
regarding:

fooie: you don't have to be 100% in line with current goings-on, but is 50% too much to ask?

not at all. I understand your frustration with people who are that way.

I guess I was defending the people out there that still love america, but still bitch about some of the policies out there. that doesn't mean that you are not patriotic and you should leave. for instance, my old house was small and the neighbors sucked. i bitched about that all of the time. but that didn't mean i didn't like it and to leave it just on those grounds are ridiculous.

I think m3 said it best:

think the US is the best overall country in which to live, but that doesn't mean i can't have complaints. what you percieve as anti-americanism might sometimes actually be anti-anti-americanism [or pro-americanism].



foo (May 23, 2006 at 03:17:35 PM):
also could this stat be from all of the mexicans high-tailing it across the boarder?:

In 2003 11.7% (33.5 million) of the US population were born outside the US.
corbin (May 23, 2006 at 05:22:34 PM):
finch, with regards to all the other countries you listed except britain, the US is better because they speak english here, and i understand english. it would suck donkey balls to move to a country where they don't speak your native tongue, but people do it every day, mostly to the US (statistic pulled from my rectum)

i like other places for visiting, but i haven't found a place i'd rather live than my hometown, although there are plenty of places i COULD live and be happy. call me a loser or whatever, but southern indiana has everything i really need, and my job provides me with the opportunities and means to see other parts of the world so i don't end up like some backwoods hillbilly that's never left the county.
Finch (May 23, 2006 at 05:31:05 PM):
My parents lived in West Germany while my dad was in the army, and they loved it there. Of course, they lived on base and were surrounded by english-speaking folk. But they had lots of German friends too. I'd like to try that out. Mostly because I enjoy sausage, beer, and lederhosen.
corbin (May 24, 2006 at 06:44:06 AM):
just move in with denlinger then
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